Vegeta tried his best against Hirudegarn but falls well short. The level of power goes like this: Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks SSJ3 > Goku SSJ3 > Majin Vegeta. We and our partners will store and/or access information on your device through the use of cookies and similar technologies, to display personalised ads and content, for ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Vegeta had the power to destroy cell, but they gave it to gohan because he's the son of a hero. Which is strange since even Gotenks or Gohan couldn’t win, despite being stronger. Lv 4. How Strong is Ultimate Gohan. The first time was with the Elder Namekian, also known as Guru on Planet Namek, and the second time was with the Elder Supreme Kai back in Dragon Ball Z. If you're talking about base super buu (no absorptions) vs kid buu, kid buu is the stronger. Which is strange since even Gotenks or Gohan couldn’t win, despite being stronger. He also said he watched everything while he was in the other world so he knew of Gohan's strength yet he still said ONLY Goku can fight Kid. With a new protagonist, new stories for Dragon Ball could've been more exciting... for both the readers and Toriyama. In today's video we over go some of the reasons Gohan may have been stronger than Goku, but how does that stack up to Goku's statements...find out in today's video. 0 0. georgine. “Right know Goku is the strongest but will eventually be surpassed by the younger saiyan generation. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! So close we can't really say one is much more stronger than the other. This means that SSJ Gotenks must at least be equal to SSJ3 Goku in strength. Vegeta was stronger than gohan in the saiyan, frieza, cell, buu and gt saga. I always thought Vegeta ended up being slightly stronger, but i've heard many conflicting viewpoints. He was capable of fighting against several huge threats in the Moro arc, however, taking on Moro is a different story altogether. Vegeta is actually Stronger, Its true that Gohan hit Super Saiyan 2 before anyone but that doesn't mean he is stronger than vegeta. And there is proof. As quoted by Vegeta himself when the trio of him, Goku and Gohan entering Babidy space ship. Ok you do make a pretty good point. Vegeta and Goku never reached Super Saiyan 2 in Cell Games and only one is Gohan. Also Trunks being too humble, he didn't want to hurt Vegeta's ego so he kept his power a secret. He does manage to save a bunch of people from a wayward blast from the beast. For arguments sake let's just say SSJ 4 Goku is about equal to Vegetto, that would mean … A Kefura which is a fusion combining a legendary super saiyan who was able to overpower Golden Freezer and defeat Aniraza, and a fusion who can turn into super legendary saiyan 2 . 1)Gogeta . However, Ultimate Gohan is able to overpower Super Buu without a problem. Back to Vegeta. Ultimate Gohan didn't stand a chance. 8 years ago. If Majin Vegeta couldn't beat Majin Buu.... What makes you guys think he would stand a chance against Super Buu (a character who Ultimate Gohan trampled all over)? Ult.Gohan could easily beat up Super Buu. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! Also Trunks being too humble, he didn't want to hurt Vegeta's ego so he kept his power a secret. Vegeta was almost always stronger than Gohan near the beginning of the show but near the end of the Cell Saga, Gohan is able to beat Cell when everyone else failed (including Vegeta), after training with his father. Goku and Vegeta have spent a majority of their time alive training. Also, givin this is just referencing the Anime and may not have been the same in the Manga but USSJ Trunks' powering up before fighting Cell seemed to be grander than anything USSJ Vegeta displayed. While him and Goku kept training every day to becomes stronger. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is stronger then vegeta and goku because Vegeta and Goku needed more training to become Super Saiyan 2 themselfs. If … They are both so strong but Goku is a little bit better and vegeta admitted that in the episode named (Vegta s respect) He said:(you are better than me kakarote .You are the best.) All signs point to Vegeta being stronger than any form of SS2 Gohan, and if you're referring to End of DBZ Vegeta there's no question. Vegeta hit Super Saiyan 2 after the Cell games but he achieved it before … 7)Goten and Trunks Gohan trained hard for a couple years and never really did after his time in the RoSaT. 6)Gotenks. I can explain Super Buu's strength quiet simply. For as powerful as Vegeta is, however, he lacks Goku’s skill and tenacity. Seems more or less relevant as Tarble was mentioned I'm BoG, and in YSG! Adding on to that Vegeta said Goku is the only one capable of fighting Kid. In the other hand, I dont remember seeing much from Vegeta in the manga. What do you think? They even say in the show that his absorbing the kia's makes him weaker. In spite of his overwhelming lead, Vegeta is pushed back as Goku taps into Kaioken, outmaneuvers him with pure martial arts, and wounds his pride with arguably the best fight choreography in Akira Toriyama’s career. For a short while during the Android saga Vegeta was actually stronger than Goku (after achieving ASSJ, which was confirmed by Piccolo and not just Vegeta's bragging) but again Goku caught up and … Gotenks SSJ3 is a bit stronger than Super Buu, but couldn't win due to his endurance. Janemba could easily handle the Z fighters before Gogeta comes into the picture. 5)Gohan . They're fusions created by two or more characters; which means that they do not exist on their own. Also, no, technically it doesn’t matter that Raditz is canon while Tarble is semi-canon, that doesn’t make Raditz stronger. Also, givin this is just referencing the Anime and may not have been the same in the Manga but USSJ Trunks' powering up before fighting Cell seemed to be grander than anything USSJ Vegeta displayed. In short, using the facts we now know, Ultimate Gohan would be at least 32x stronger than Majin Vegeta! However, Ultimate Gohan was able to easily dominate Super Buu. He did beat zamasu with the spirit sword, however that was after everyone gave him their energy. But I own season 9 and instead Goku and Vegeta fusing into Vegeto, they decided they wanted to put there skill to the test against Kid Buu. - Read the results on this enquête and other Dragon Ball Z enquêtes Cell and even his Cell Juniors can defeat Broly. --Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 14:40, October 11, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96, Look, we all know SSJ3 Goku was holding back against Majin Buu. In the other hand, I dont remember seeing much from Vegeta in the manga. If they would of fought him after he obsurbed gotenks they would of stood a chance! Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha That means that at least one of King Vegeta’s children, the most unlikely one as well, is stronger than one of Bardock’s children. This means that, theoretically, Evil Buu and Kid Buu are one and the same, and means they have the same power. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Gohan is one of Dragon Ball's strongest Saiyans and his most intimidating form is Ultimate Gohan, where he doesn't even go Super Saiyan to extract the full potential of his energy. So it would go Fat buu, Super buu, Kid Buu. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. They were outclassed by Super Vegeta from 7 years prior. And Goku is not the strongest of the Buu Saga. Goten hasn't got anywhere near the experience Goku had when he first achieved super saiyan. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is stronger then vegeta and goku because Vegeta and Goku needed more training to become Super Saiyan 2 themselfs. Is Gohan stronger than Vegeta in the DBS manga? -Vegeta is naturally a fighter unlike Gohan who has to get angry to unlock his strength. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. Majin Buu, someone even Vegeta with his most powerful attack (the Final Explosion) couldn't beat, is easily outclassed by SSJ3 Goku. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku from Dragon Ball Super. [[Category:{{{1}}}|Ultimate gohan vs majin vegeta]]. This means that, as a SSJ3, Goku would be 4x stronger than Majin Vegeta. Yahoo is part of Verizon Media. While Android 18 currently isn't as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 herself, she's definitely a lot stronger than she was during her debut in Dragon Ball Z. Goku fought Kid Buu as ssj3 and gave him a good fight too though Kid Buu was still stronger. I'd say that in terms of straight power level, Gohan had a higher strength than Vegeta. Sorry it took so much reading to get to this point, but you guys were saying some crazy stuff, and I wanted to see if I could help clear up some of these misconceptions. Find out more about how we use your information in our Privacy Policy and Cookie Policy. Super Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan. I take it as Vegeta being too proud and blind to recognize Trunks being stronger. Kid Buu is the pure evil incarnation of Buu. They're not characters; they're Vegeta and Goku or Goten … Even though SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Kid Buu, it's unlikely he could take on someone even stronger. And, sorry to tell you this, but you can't really argue. Evolve 20 (talk) 23:53, October 8, 2013 (UTC). 5 years ago *sigh* First off - Vegito, Gogeta, and Gotenks aren't characters. Gohan by such an insane margin that it isn’t even funny. I know man I mean ssj2 Vegeta can give ultimate gohan a fight! Vegeta had to use this machine Bulma made to get him to super sayian four. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! Facts are facts. Strong enough to rival SSJ2 Goku, who is stronger than SSJ2 Enraged Kid Gohan Idk why you brought up 17&18 though, unless you were joking or didnt follow/dont remember the Cell Saga. Its tough to scale Rage Trunks. There is a reason that back in the day, forums would post questions like, “Gohan’s left pinky vs SS3 Goku.” Let me lay it out. However, the level of power changes when Goku ascends to SSJ3. After Evil Buu aborbs Good Buu, he transforms into Super Buu. Vegeta’s even stronger as an Oozaru, crippling virtually every single bone in Goku’s body. As quoted by Vegeta himself when the trio of him, Goku and Gohan entering Babidy space ship. Look, guys. Its tough to scale Rage Trunks. After this point both fighters stop fighting for many years until Buu arrives (when Gohan is an adult), but Gohan is still stronger. He can even be cut to pieces and his pieces will try to 'glue' themselves together. Majin Buu expelled all of the evil from his body, creating Evil Buu. There's no denying that making Gohan the protagonist would've done wonders for the staleness of the Dragon Ball formula.. After all, Toriyama himself was getting fatigued with the Dragon Ball series post the Cell Saga, and this showed in the quality of the Buu arc. Later, when Super Buu emerges, Gotenks as a SSJ3 (who is about 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku) was only a little bit stronger than him. Vegito easily overpowers Majin Buu, even after the monster has absorbed the powers and abilities of Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten, but defuses after allowing himself to be absorbed to rescue his sons. The fact of the matter is that Majin Vegeta couldn't beat Majin Buu, he can't beat Super Buu and he wouldn't stand a chance against Ultimate Gohan. https://www.thegamer.com/dragon-ball-characters-stronger-weak-er-vegeta To elaborate furthur, as a SSJ3, Gotenks would be 8 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku (becasue 400, the SSJ3 multiplier, divided by 50, the SSJ multiplier, equals 8, which shows us the power jump from SSJ to SSJ3). SSJ3 Goku is not the strongest character in the Buu Arc, not even second best! That's more proof that Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than him, not to mention Goku already stated he couldn't defeat Super Buu. For as powerful as Vegeta is, however, he lacks Goku’s skill and tenacity. This means that, as a SSJ3, Goku would be 4x stronger than Majin Vegeta. Vegeta is actually Stronger, Its true that Gohan hit Super Saiyan 2 before anyone but that doesn't mean he is stronger than vegeta. Gohan had his power unlock twice. ... or that time he gave Cell a senzu bean so he could fight Gohan at full strength. Gohan is super OP when you sit down and think about it. 4)Vegeta . While Android 18 currently isn't as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 herself, she's definitely a lot stronger than she was during her debut in Dragon Ball Z. But Goku quickly outpaced Vegeta and became far stronger than him during the Namek saga. 4 years ago. - Read the results on this enquête and other Dragon Ball Z enquêtes Plus, Gohan Buu is not nearly as strong as (Super) Vegetto. The reason why I say this is because Gohan has 50% sayian blood and the other 50% human While Vegeta and Goku have 100% sayian blood Goku is stronger than Vegeta because Goku became a … It's not just Goku, even Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan who used to be stronger than Goku until Babidi Saga. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. To enable Verizon Media and our partners to process your personal data select 'I agree', or select 'Manage settings' for more information and to manage your choices. Gohan is stronger than Super Perfect Cell by a small margin. Clearly, the two strongest main heroes are Goku and Vegeta, with Gohan, Android 17, Buu, and Piccolo also being counted amongst the planet's most powerful defenders. What do you think? 3)Goku . I'd say that in terms of straight power level, Gohan had a higher strength than Vegeta. Vegeta said he and Goku had surpassed Gohan since the Cell Game because Gohan has stopped training after Cell saga. Frieza has multiple methods of attack and defense. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Ultimate_gohan_vs_majin_vegeta?oldid=1184632. With that out of the way, let's continue. Then he absorbed Ultimate Gohan and before Goku and Vegeta fused into Vegeto they fought Super Buu at ssj1 after he absorbed Gohan and Gotenks and got a quick beating. The "Fully Powered Super Saiyajin" that Goku and Gohan had attained is an overall stronger level of SSJ than the "Ascended" state that Vegeta had acheived. 3 1. hope. Let me explain. Ultimate Gohan could not have done that. You do realize the difference between Super Buu and Majin Buu, right? Had Goku would have went ssj3.....he would have fought well against Super Buu. The anime doesn't provide a clear answer to this question, but the manga reveals that Gohan has the edge over Android 17. Retaining the memories of both Goku and Vegeta, Vegito is a more cocky, vindictive character than Goku, with a personality closer to Vegeta's. 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